North Cyprus Property management

Savoy


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 13:53

Anybody have a recommendation for rental property managers. Have been rather let-down by one agent and a fellow owner and myself would like to find new agents to manage a total of 3 apartments in one development. Any suggestions based on good experiences would be very welcome. Thanks.

dsouzaedna


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 13:59

If you like i can manage your properties for you.Please if you want to contact me let me know

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 14:14

Dear Phillipa, our company would be interested in taking on your management. We are based to the West of Girne and have lots of experience in these matters. Please do not hesitate to contact me on lydia@epluscyprus.com if we can be of any assistance. Best regards, Lydia

dsouzaedna


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 14:16

you can contact me at ednajeremiah@yahoo.com

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 14:41

Hi Savoy,



Depending on where you are Glencoe are very highly recomended, there contact details are as follows.



http://www.glencoecyprus.com or personaltouchcyprus@msn.com



serving the Catalkoy to Tatlisu areas, contact the Glencoe offices on 0533 860 4854 to find out more or Greg on mobile 05338444722.



Thanks.



David

Thunderkat


Joined: 19/01/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 14:45

Ive just been reading another thread about maintenance charges and First consult cyprus were recommended on there, i believe they do do property management aswell. their email was posted on there as info@firstconsultcyprus.co.uk

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 15:51

I have never used their services myself but glenco seem to be highly rated on tbv by owners who have used them.

murat


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 15:51

contact vistamar management

Ahmet Rızalar 05338496688

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 16:14

I would most defintely not recommend Vistamar Management - too many bad business ethics



Regards

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 16:49

high we are bracey builders we look after a lot of properties and would be intrested in you managment we are a regestered company witch can cope with most problems in house if you would like to make a meet and give you some more infomation you can reach us vie web site http://www.braceybuiders.com

crystallady


Joined: 16/04/2008
Posts: 103

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 17:25

Hi Savoy



Isn't it amazing how many suggestions you get once you ask the question?



Just to confuse you even more, I can recommend Tara from Silione, a property development and maintenance company based in the centre of Girne. She is a English lady who takes care of Silione's property maintenance side and is most reliable. You can contact her on tara@silione.com. She does insurance etc also.

flutterby


Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 17:48

I can first hand recommend Donaghy and Beyler, Incillay at FCC and if Tara is who I think she is, I can definitely recommend her too. Watch out for people who recommend Management Companies when they have Contracts with the particular Management Companies already.

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 19:56

First consult cyprus i highly recomend them, i rent my property from them and they are great always sort any propblems out quick and efficiently. they are also very friendly and welcoming.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 20:33

Flutterby i take it u mean as in message 8

rb2009


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:20

Savoy

I can recommend Nova property Management details at http://www.nova-property-management.com. I have found the owners to be very helpful and obliging and I am very happy with their services. rb

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:37

Before you take on any property manager take a good look at there contract better still get them to sign yours . , go on recommendations initialy but then stll dig deep , if they already run sites, go round and have a look , to see if they pride thermselves on what they are already looking after . speak to residents in the site for any feedback , do all of this in the begining and it should reduce the risk of them ripping you off .

johno


Joined: 21/04/2009
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:25

I thought Donaghy and beyler are estate agents what experience do these people have of property management or are they another company to try and jump on the property and site management bandwagon as so many are trying to do these days rather go for an established management company with a good track record

LynxLtd


Joined: 24/04/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
03/05/2009 00:52

Check us out: http://www.lynxcyprus.com

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
03/05/2009 03:56

I have had very good feedback on Donaghy and beyler form two sites that they manage . Hope this helps .

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/05/2009 13:24

I am sure some people won't agree, but i have found Unwins to be very good had no problems keep you informed and up to date.....

Aysesdaddy



Joined: 21/03/2009
Posts: 392

Message Posted:
03/05/2009 15:04

We would recommended Cerenia property management. a long established company. This is a lovely English lady and based in Kyrenia. Nothing is too much trouble.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 14:47

Hi Peeps,

We used one of the companys recomended on this thread a couple of years ago and they were doing painting of villas and apartments then with a so called new paint, and they totally ripped us off and wouldnt even come back to finish the job properly even though they had been paid in full, as for the recomendation about mess 19 ask the peeps who own there for their thoughts. mess 17 well said

Alison

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 18:51

we do a lot of work with donaghy beyler and have never heard a bad word against them they do a lot of managment in our area verda is always contactable and very positive and astute hard working for her clients as the rest of her office

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 19:09

ditto gates they run our site and we have acheived more in the last four months with them than we did in the last two years !!



They are doing a fantastic job - and work with a Committee of owners

steamerpoint


Joined: 15/08/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 07:59

Hi,i cant speak highly enough of North Cyprus Property Management...they are based in the Catalkoy but work between Alsancak and Esentepe..they have a website http://www.northcypruspropertymanagement.com ,i have been very pleased with them...

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 08:18

msg25,

How long have you worked for them or been married / engaged to one of them?

Really it is far better to be honest about your connection with a Company when promoting it - plenty of Companies advertise their services on here in a straightforward way, and that is generally accepted.

However, unsolicited testimonials, (posted at 7:59 a.m. on a Saturday morning) as a first post from a new Member are likely to raise the suspicion that you are not telling the WHOLE truth...

- And if a Company is not scrupulously HONEST in every respect, then I for one would suspect that they just MIGHT be less than honest in other respects ...

Without any previous knowledge of who you are, where you live, how long you have lived there, no history of posting, no email address, and without another another member or two who are familiar with you - it is very difficult to take your post at face value.

However, having got that out of the way - Welcome to the Forum!

Keith.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 13:09

We've had absolutelyno luck in getting a decent property management company. The 3 we have had were good at first and then we found out they weren't doing their job - ie weren't making the specified visits and when we challenged them they came up with some very dodgy excuses and made all sort of promises if we retained them. As a result I have lost trust in property management companies in North Cyprus and now leave keys with a friend who checks things over and our neighbours have our phone no in case there is an emergency.

steamerpoint


Joined: 15/08/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:54

Hi Keith,i have had a holiday home here for 3 years and like many people have had many property management companies look after my property...i recommended this one as they looked after my latest property up to last month month when i finally came to live on a permanent basis so now i no longer need a management company....i thought it would be nice to recommend them as they were quite a new company when i took them on and they were very nice to deal with....i am neither married to them or living with them and to put doubt on there credibility just because they were recommended by a new member is pretty poor dont you think...talk about being hung drawn and quatered without a fair trial...maybe you took the time to knock them as you work for a different company?anyway it was a simple recommendation..take it or leave it..if you could help answer my posting reference importing my pickup with the same enthusiasm i would appreciate it...regards

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
17/08/2009 06:42

Must admit , good website , are there any other recommendations out there ?

sunnylife


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 22:11

We have MEPS on our sites in alsancak .very good and reliable and are currently managing 3 sites in Kavanköy and 3 sites in Lapta and Kyrenia with total of 162 appartments .







chat to bahar or Özge

MEPS Trading Ltd.







Adres:



BESPARMAKLAR CADDESI NO 26



ON THE ÇATALKOY ROAD



MERSIN 10



KYRENIA / KKTC







Office tel + 90 392 824 47 10



Fax: +90 392 824 47 10







Director



Bülent Kürümoglu



GSM : 0533 8621488



e-mail : mepsltd@gmail.com





Director



Bahar Kürümoglu



GMS : 0533 8461668 (for eng)

e-mail : mepsltd@gmail.com







General Manager

Özge Erişti



GSM : 0533 830 14 92 (for eng)



.

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 21:06

Can anyone help me with information on Vistamar Management I understand they do one or 2 of the Seaterra sites.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 21:34

Yes they manage the Bay and the Marina at present !!!

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 21:38

Are they any good ?

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 23:18

See Message 9

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 23:29

Now I am concerned, please can someone let me know offlist what these concerns are please mint1955@blueyonder.co.uk

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 23:51

Vistmar are an excellent Management Company, doing a very good job on the Bay and Marina sites. Very well recommended. As you are just along the road from the Bay site come along any time to the Bay site and talk to owners.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 00:28

I disagree with the posting above its a matter of opinion only if you are one of their 'friends' or work with them are you treated 'nicely'



As said their business ethics leave a lot to be desired

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 00:44

As I have just said go along to the Bay and talk to Bay owners. Please don't take my word and certainly not the group who will be posting on here. They will try their best to discredit anyone who dares to make a positive comment. Their usual response is now wearing very thin - it has been tried on so many people, hoping by so doing it will keep them quiet.

resso


Joined: 05/08/2009
Posts: 259

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 00:53

YES

PLACE OVERSEAS

ING SP NAME JIM 0392 815 9909 MOB 0533 866 1795

E- MAIL jim@placeoverseas.com

http://www.propertycyprussales.com

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 00:59

On the closed forum for the ST sites there was owner on there from the Marina that posted only yesterday about the problems on HIS site if anyone could read his angst, despair and distress from the appauling way some owners are being treated on there then you would be half way to understanding the issues that have occured over the years.



Yes go along to the Marina and talk to owners, but make sure its not the ones 'working' in the office or those that 'hold court' with the management on daily basis. Ask the ones that are regulary threatened by legal action their opinion !!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 01:38

Mint 1955.

Visit the sites /Go along and talk to owners, . Then ask about SLA agreements and contracts asked to see a fomat of a contract they have in place .Spend at least a few sessions talking to Management I think by then you should be able to make decision on things .



Could I ask why you have asked about Vistamar ? just curious !!

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 11:18

Because their name has come up in a email to the owners at SWB as having been approached re services etc. I have received a few emails overnight which help. Thank you.

Tuttut


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 11:25

First consult Cyprus are good, there is also Jepa, Unwins and D & B.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 16:30

mint1955

So am i presuming VISTAMAR just approached SWB to manage the site ?



Or did VISTAMAR legaly tender for the managment of the site ?



Do you have a current Management company ?



questions just help a little understanding

Cheers

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
14/02/2010 16:30

Hi Mint e-mail me and i will talk to you

keith

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
14/02/2010 20:10

No worries Keith I have the information I needed thanks. But my email is as always mint1955@blueyonder.co.uk

Sheila

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 14:58

Mint,



My name is Bea and I am the director of Vistamar Management, I have been managing sites since the end of 2006, we are a husband and wife team and have had many hurdles to jump to get to where we are today. You can come and inspect the sites that we run and meet with me and decide for yourself. there are a couple of owners here from the marina that would like to see the back of me but they are not the majority, even these few owners do not have any problems with the site and how well it is being run, their issues are personal and they would like to get D&B in place (if you read other posts from here, you will have noticed that they have recommended them a few times). This battle with these few owners is personal and they have defamed me many times on forums without proof, they are like the cowboys of forums, this is why I have taken legal action. One of these owners emailed me to tell me to wash the pathway down to the pool so that her feet dont get dirty ... I leave it to you.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 15:13

Hi Savoy I have used Unwin , Tom manages my utilitiy bills, weekly checks sorts out issues immediately

sends me snaps of my villa to see the garden plants status they have managed my account for now 2 yrs and honestly feel money well spent their head office is nr Acanjack opp lemar

Tom Ringe



Rentals and Property Management

Unwin Estate Agents



Tel No. 0090 (0) 392 822 3508/9

UK Tel No. 0044 (0) 207 193 5486

Fax No. 0090 (0) 392 822 3510

MobileNo. 0090 (0) 542 882 4267

Email. tom@unwinestates.com

Skype. unwinestateagents2

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 16:49

couldnt you have let the hose that fills the damaged swimming pool run on it , that wopuld have done two jobs at once

did the owner whi wanted the path washed have an SLA and contract with your company

if they did how fortunate because you have refused an SLA and contract to all the other owners on thiis site..

You have also threatand owners me being one of them with legal action becuase they even dare to ask out loud for such a thing.And have the audacity to want what they want. not what you want.

I noticed you called the marina and the Bay ( my site.) That is the probelm isnt it, it isnt your site it belongs to the owners, and you should be working for them not against them .

The owners who live on the site you recomend people speak to, wouldnt happen to be the ones who work in your office would thay.?

incidently love the logo,

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 17:01

Are you saying your pool is filled with mains water ?????? surely not thats against the law

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 17:47

Re: Message 47



A very professional response from a very professional company! NOT!



So what you are saying is that you are not interested in the problems of these 'cowboy' owners. Surely, you should be concerned with all of your CUSTOMERS concerns, not calling them names on the internet.



Only to be expected I suppose.

flutterby


Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 19:31

Just remember one thing. You all do have rights under TRNC apartment Law. Management Companies have to supply receipts for every single piece of expenditure or they face heavy fines, whether the sites are run under Fee or Fund. There has to be formal Contracts in place as agreed by a Committee for the owners. Go and read TRNC Apartment Law and owners' rights, the people who actually own the site, will become clear and apparent and no MC nor solicitor can undermine THAT!!! Go to court by all means. It will be a long and expensive battle for the loser!!!!!!!! The Law is clearly stated under TRNC Apartment Law!

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 20:56

There is more to running a site then keeping the gardens good ,Long term planning for one ,

Name me any other companies that would threaten owners with Court action because they want to have a meeting.

Keith

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 22:42

Hi flutterby where can i get the information from

keith

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
15/02/2010 23:32

we have a relative who owns on the marina. the people who own on there have just gone to tender. we have been told that a vistamar employee messed about with the tender votes on the quiet and the tender was made void. we are all gob smacked that the worker is still working in the office. we go on holiday sometimes and thought things were okay there but now we have found out that there are more things coming out of the woodwork. we now think vistamar is not a good company and things are being brushed under the carpet.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 08:56

And to make things worse, the employee is also an owner on the site! So, no conflict of interest there then!!!!

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 12:22

Arnold,



No one messed about with the votes, that is an absolute lie. The Marina Site still looks great and owners enjoy themselves. It is also a lie that I do not have an sla (the SLA was sent to the committee months ago) and the contract that I have not signed has been explained to these few people that they must be legal so that we can take the non payers to court, the contract we sign must hold up in court or whats the use of signing one? would this not protect the owners and the mc?

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 12:54

Should have gone with FCC.

They do exactly, no, they do more than they say on the can.

Chegs

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:09

Yes Noyourwonk love my logo, like you I have a sense of humour as well, what does your nickname mean?

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:10

Keith,



My job is to maintain the site, should you instead of trying to get rid of me, use your time for long term plans and see what owners want for the future together with the MC, I say my sites and I get shot, they are my sites because I am proud of them. And you say that I dictate to owners what I want and then you ask me for long term planning !!! Since you were recognised by the minority all you have done is run a 'lets get rid of VM campaign' even though the majority wanted VM to stay, but that is not the point, is it? You cannot call me unproffessional when I am defending myself and my business. Its very easy to come on forums and write nasty stuff and not give anyone a chance to speak up and protect themselves.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 14:09

By comming on here you are showing yourself to be unprofesional by getting into a debate with owners on a open forum.

As for getting rid of you what we wanted was a tender and you did not submit one within the time frame .

Also why have you threated only members of the commitee with legal action.i would have thought you would have been better taking non payers to court.

You may be proud of the sites you runn but they are not yours they are the owners.

As for messing round with the votes one of your employies had access to the votes and did not let the commite know untill they had all the information and then threated the commitee they would release the votes before hand totally out of order .

I could go on about how tendering companies where treated by some people but i will save that for now.

Keith

pollytat


Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 14:31

VM are like weeds once you have got them its hard to get RID of them.

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 15:19

i know you have a sense of humour every one of you. the trouble is non of us know who we talk to by e mail, the three of you seem to take turns.and Sharon you know Bea hasnt seen the joke

bet it wasnt her idea anyway.

Humbly suggest you look at posting no52. it didnt suprise me, but it might you. you seem

to have no idea what your legal requirments are regarding contracts and S L A.In the TRNC

And as one of the BoR that you refuse to acknowledge but allegedly sent a copy of a contract to

as well as threatening with court action,(for what)daring to ask for transparancy over where our money goes, and what on?

could i possibly see the contract, because i assure that this this the first i have ever heard of it

perhaps you could put a copy on this forum just to prove it exists, you understand. and prove to all that you dont tell fibs. I expect there will be many Marina owners holding there breath in anticipation at such an event..

and my translation of noyourwonk. is .sorry run

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 15:19

Keith,



By coming on here I have shown that I have nothing to hide. As for the tender I have emails to prove that the only aim was to get rid of VM. If I am allowed to post on here I will or if anyone wants copies I will email them. The sites are not mine I know - this really is childish. As for the votes it was not only my employee that had seen the updates they were made available to others, this has been proven. As for the tendering companies lets ask them to report directly here to say how I treated them. Im all open for discussions and will answer to your comments ... this does not make me unprofessional.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 15:45

Noyourwonk



You and I have a love hate relationship, I love you for the right reasons and you hate me for the wrong reasons.



Court action is being taken because they did not represent the majority and have no legal right. The results for the election was changed 4 times. The results showed that the owners that had voted was below 30%. I am also taking legal action for those that keep defaming me and my business ... surely that is my right!



If I am doing a great job as the MC then all other issues should be very simple to solve, would it not? why is there a set of rules for me and a different set of rules for other companies?



regards

Bea

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 17:18

Bea,

As you dont recognise the BoR who represent me...Can you send the contract to all of us 162 owners inividually so we can look at it please ?



Lynne

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 17:46

Lynne,



The contract will be agreed by the majority of owners and ready to be in place by 1st May 2010.



regards

Bea

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 17:53

Bea,

Great news, but in order for us to agree it can you send us a copy so we can read it? This will give time for any negotiation on points etc. It also means we can discuss it fully at our meeting in UK.



Can i also ask, what happens if less than 51% of owners sign it?



I also believe some are now not recognising that VM have a majority. If the tender process has to be repeated in the next few weeks would you tender?



Regards Lynne

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:01

Lynne,



Have you had any input from the BoR that represents you in regards to a contract? Has this contract ever been sent to VM?



I will have my draft contract ready for begining of March after the votes. The votes will show what the majority wants. This is the only way forward.



I will do as the majority want, will any one else?



Regards

Bea

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:09

At the tender, Vistamar received 42 votes, which on a complex of 162 apartments is around 25%. If Vistamar are claiming that the BOR have no legal standing and do not represent the majority because only 30% of owners voted, how do Vistamar claim to have the majority support with only around 25% of the vote? You can't have it both ways.

flutterby


Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:14

eh who is running this vote, the MC or the owners????????????

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:18

Cyberhiker



The others that did not vote do not read the BoR emails and do not want anything to do with them, this is why they did not vote.



regards

Bea

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:18

Bea,

Is it not for VM as an Management Company to put forward a draft contract? Surely volunteer owners should not have to come up with a legal document?



However, you said you will have one ready after the votes. What voting are you referring to?



Are you referring to the voting form VM sent out this morning to all owners suggesting owners could do away with an elected committee to represent their interests, but instead have a committee consisting of 162 owners – where every single decision required an official, verified vote – even down to whether or not we can buy 6 new sunbeds for the pool?



I don’t think it is for the MC to try and organise owners committees.



That said, I hope you know I for one am happy to respect the majority decision.



Regards,

Lynne

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:20

Flutterby,



who does the vote is irrelevant as all will be produced on a list by apartment number and what they voted for this will be sent to all owners and also the emails etc will be verified by the solicitor.



would you say this is fair?



regards

flutterby


Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:32

eh who is running this vote, the MC or the owners????????????

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:35

Of course it's relevant who does the vote! The fact is that it's not up to Vistamar to organise 'a vote', it's for the owners to decide without Vistamar's involvement via a legitimate tender. You say that there are owners who support Vistamar but didn't vote but how is anyone to know that without a proper tender. As Vistamar refuse to tender properly, the only alternative action for owners is to withhold fees to a management company who are in situ without a contract. All you have succeeded in doing is splitting the site with your blatant refusal to recognise the legitmate Board of Representatives and the wishes of a great many owners.



Flutterby - The MC !!!

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:37

Flutterbe –depends which vote you refer to.



All owners have been sent three different voting forms in the last few weeks.



One by an owner who also works for VM on the Marina site asking whether we are happy to keep VM for the next 12 months. This was followed by a letter to all owners telling them they 'do not have to register a vote to the tender' that the BoR had organised, as it was not legal. All this was done with no signature under the name of ‘marinaowners’.



One from VM asking if we want a committee made up of 162 owners or indeed, any committee at all.



And once in a tender organised by our elected Board or representatives asking, having read all the tender documentation, which MC we would like to vote for to manage the marina.



Incidentally, I was promised I could have lists of apartment numbers and results from the poll done by the VM employee but I have been refused this information.

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:37

Bea,

Could you please answer my questions from posts 68 and 73



Lynne

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 20:19

Bea feel free to post what you want i also have e-mails of a company who would take an owner to court for wanting to go for a tender and for a meeting then let everyone see.

Don’t think you will see many people agree with you.

It is not up to the MC to send out votes it is up to the owners.



It was very simple to sort out but you decided not to by not putting your tender in i ask everyone if VM had 82 owners for them why would they not put a tender in cannot get my head round that one maybe someone on here could explain, to me you would have won hands down.



Also Vm must be the only company in the trnc that do not recognise a husband and wife unless both names are on the deeds, but then in a court of law this would be recognised even in a TRNC Court.



Glad you have admitted it was your employer who is a owner and who watched the voting process and therefore made the vote void .I think you would have gone mad if the boot would have been on the other foot.

Keith

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 22:53

Keith why was it void when all she did was watch? others watched! because she does not agree with you and the anti vm team she gets shot?



its the same few people making accusations without all the facts.



Goodnight, it will be another day tomorrow.



Cheers

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 23:17

It isn't 'the same few people', it's a large percentage of your customers. Surely, a professional company would want to know why their customers are dissatisfied with the service they were offering and try to rectify the situation, not disregard them and call them names on an internet forum.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 23:24

Cyberhiker

As you know what has been going on, this vote will show all owners what the majority of owners want. We will see on the 27th. Not long time to wait.

will you accept what the majority wants?



Regards

Bea

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 23:26

You know why it was void and can you give me the names of the others you say watched and we will e-mail them to confirm this .The only difference is they do not work for you and no other owner has admitted to watching the process fact.



You still did not answer the ? what would you have done its no good coming on here and just picking part of the post you would like to answer .



See there are others on here who you have not answered ? that they have posted .



Once again i am not anti VM what i am is a fair honest man who only wanted a Tender was that to much to ask not in my opinion .



Hope to see your replies tomorrow to the ? that i and others have posted

Keith

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
16/02/2010 23:37

Keith,

Did you not say that you would be happy to pay £70 per month just to get rid of me?



Bea

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 00:44

Cant believe that vistamar is still allowing a person to work in the office who has abused her position. this person is being allowed by vistamar to possibly do this kinda thing again. vistamar has not had the decency to explain the situation to owners by email and they have been left to find out information through a public forum. if you email vistamar it is known you do not even have a reply about all of this. vistamar are a disgrace to all of their owners by threatening legal action to people who pay them. we have only just found out by going on the tender site where we cant believe whats happend. is this how you get treated in north cyprus? disgrace.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 09:30

No i did not say that and whoever says i did is a liar.

And why is that the only thing you can say answer the questions people have put to you on here

keith

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 10:53

Yes, I do know what's going on and I know that there is not a LEGITMATE vote/tender happening, so what transpires on the 27th is irrelevant. You can't have a vote/tender where the only choices are Vistamar or Vistamar and the voting is organised by Vistamar. I wonder what the result will be?

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 11:27

Arnold,



That tendersite is an anti VM site nothing more ... would you say that that attitude was a fair tender campaign. have you seen what they have written in last 2 years. It is the same people over and over again. with 1 goal in mind to get rid of me. They do not care what the majority wants. would you want that on your site where the minority rule without the support of the majority.

If this vote shows what the majority want, why is it so bad? or is it because they already know what the majority want!

I do answer emails, but not those that send the same email from about 10 people and you can tell they have been copied and pasted. now you have seen their side how about giving me a chance to show you my side my email is bea.vistamar.management@gmail.com - you can only then see the real story.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 11:37

Cut & pasted direct from the Tendersite that is 'an anti VM' site:



We have not received a tender from Vistamar and no information in relation to the questions circulated to Management Companies who will tender, even although in May 2009, Vistamar agreed to this tender and inform all Owners that they would submit a tender. In order that we bring all parties together and allow all views to be heard we feel ,that although unfair on the other Management Companies,we as owners should accept the wishes of the those who like to retain VM's services. Therefore, since we have no figures for VM we cannot inform you whether VM's maintenance fees etc., will be raised again this year above the current £540/£600 + £50 contingency fee.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 11:38

If, after reading the registered tenders from the Management Companies, you still prefer to retain Vistamar then you have the option to vote for them in your return. Should Vistamar retain the site, they will do so for one year only as they have failed to register a tender alongside the other companies. This will be discussed in a future AGM. Vistamar will be subject to the same contractual conditions as any other company.



We really hope this open voting system to all Owners brings peace and harmony back to the Marina.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 13:12

'We really hope this open voting system to all Owners brings peace and harmony back to the Marina.'



It wasnt open but was it ?and why was it void because some owners could see the updates? why have they still not shown the votes. Did the chairman not say that the votes were in no way tampered with? the void is simply the way the BoR wanted to go.



When the BoR allowed VM to be included in the vote why did they not come to me and ask me for my figures? Truce? The BoR had many opportunities to put this all behind us and move forward but you cant move forward while you are still running a hatred campaign. How fair was it when they were praising 1 company and finding faults in others and shading 3 companies on the list as having concerns ... is this how a tender is run?

'Vistamar will be subject to the same contractual conditions as any other company.' if this statement is true why do I get 1 year and other companies get 2 years. Nothing is what it seems,its all a game

regards

Bea

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 14:14

Yes, it was open to all management companies who wanted to tender, Vistamar chose not to because they are arrogant enough to believe that they don't need to.



The vote was voided because of Vistamars employee accessing the Tender site. Once it was discovered it was obvious that the only option was to declare a void vote to avoid accusations of tampering. Making the vote void was the way many owners, me included, wanted the vote dealt with.



Why would the BOR ask for 'your figures'? What figures are you talking about? Vistamar were not conducting the tender, the BOR were. Vistamar do not have the right to carry out a vote/tender.



The reason Vistamar were only going to be offered a one year contract is because they didn't tender. I think in the circumstances, the BOR were being extremely generous in offering that!



It may be a game to you but it's my investment and now explain to me why I should pay you to look after it!

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 14:16

You really need to get in the real world the tendersite is not anti VM it was a site set up so OWNERS and Owners Only could view the tenders and put questions to the BOR how is that anti VM .We have not had one complaint that the tender site is Anti VM why don’t you do a poll on that to see you cannot just go making statement like that without some proof and owners saying .



As you did not have Legal access to the tender site unless one of your employers let you view it I fail to see how you can say it was Anti VM.



Why did you not send your figures in like the rest of the tendering companies did you new you would have to tender?

Keith

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 14:28

Ah! I see, Vistamar are talking about the figures relating to their non-existent tender! Another arrogant statement. All other management companies submit their tenders in the normal way but if the BOR don't go crawling to Vistamar and ask for their's because they didn't bother to submit one, they are running an unfair tender! Ludicrous.

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 14:35

Why is it void?



1. May 2009 - 12 months notice given to VM and a tender announced for early 2010., at which we VM expected to tender.

2. December 2009 – an employee of VM sends out misleading question by e-mailregarding VM alone.

3. Tender process begins -VM do not tender.

4. VM employee sends out anonymous E-mail telling ALL owners telling them they do not have to vote in the tender. See quotes from this e-mail. “Please note that you do not have to register a vote to the tender”….“people negotiating this tender are not a legal body”

5. VM employee e-mails unchecked results , and states that she had access to all updates of the results as they came in, throughout the whole process.

6. VM employee admits that she placed votes for some owners.



The service VM has provided, I have always been very happy with. Bea knows this. But the issues on the Marina is no longer about the standard of service provided.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 15:28

May 2009 - VM agreed to go for tender when it will be fairly executed - it wasnt same people same tactics.



2009 An owner that had been lied to by the BoR sends a vote out only one person says it was misleading because her mother used her vote.



Tender process begins and the BoR and friends do not stop their attacks on VM all while a tender is in place.



An owner says that the BoR have no more rights as other owners to do this and they did not ask what the majority of owners wanted.



An owner was allowed access to these votes and the BoR knew as the permissions list shows who can see them, this was nother tactic.



owners that came into the office that did not have a pc or did not have access asked us to vote for them and in no means did we not state that in the email that was sent.



Of course it is not about the service, the gardens, the pool, the majority ... what is it about? that the majority is behind me and you cant get rid of me? is this what it is about?



Bea

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 15:39

Cyberhiker,



Your payment does not include for me to be defamed attacked or wanted to get rid of. your payment goes for the maintanence of the site.

Can you tell me what have I not done that you personally have asked for? and what your real concerns are that the BoR have not interfered with?



Bea

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 16:42

To All



I will not post on this thread anymore as I do not want it to get worse, all I ask is for personal comments to stop. Those on the Marina that want a solution can email me personally. Those that are not on the marina can email me personally also to get both sides of the story. There is always 2 sides and better yet there are always solutions to those that want it.



Regards

Bea

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 17:43

Bea

Please get the facts right.



My mother did not ‘use my vote’. We discussed the question over coffee and answered. We did not and do not consider it to be an official vote in any capacity. I thought it was a pre tender survey. At that point in time I would have voted for you. FACT



I am not the only one who said yes to the question asked and then voted for D&B. FACT



I e-mailed all my reasons why I did not vote for you out of respect for the good service you have given…I like you personally and the marina looks great. Your service goes above and beyond for many owners. So referring to your question in post 96, you know exactly what, in my view, “it” is about. I don’t really want to post all of my reasons on here, but I will if you wish.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/02/2010 20:44

Thank you at last you have seen the light

Keith

doughnuts40


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 07:45

So am I correct in reading the above post. A tender process was submited which the current company did not tender too? Then has instigated their own tender and vote? Wow this PM co certainly knows how to run a site to their benefit............ DICTATORSHIP! Wat are the homeowners doing about it?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 09:57

No its not their own TENDER vote indeed there is a vote with the following questions being conducted but no other company is involved. In THEIR so called voting process there is only a choice of one Vistamar - These are the questions the owners are being asked. Unofrtunately as an unprofessional company they have no understanding of a true tender process, so they now have an unelected faction many of which work for them conducting their own vote see below





Would you like a committee of 162 (all owners) ? £ YES £ NO

Do you want the committee to sign a contract on behalf of owners ? £ YES £ NO

Are you happy to have an individual contract with Vistamar ? £ YES £ NO



Please vote by the 26th February 2010, the results will be sent to all

owners by apartment number for transparency.





Apartment Number or Name: ___________________________ Date Voted:

_____________



Fair process of voting for THEM or THEM

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 10:11

That's more or less it! They claim to have more than 50% onsite support thanks to an e-mail 'survey' sent to all owners, so a tender is irrelevant. They also claim that the owners Board of Representatives in an illegal entity and refuse to recognise them because the amount of owners who bothered to vote was below 51%, although all owners were invited to vote. This was a company foisted on the owners by the developer Seaterra at handover, they have never been elected and were only supposed to have a two year contract in the first place. They were 'given' an extension of one year last year when they refused to vacate the site and both sides eventually agreed it was in the best interests of the site to allow them to carry on until May 2010. This tender was the vote to choose for the first time a management company selected by the owners. Those loyal to the company conducted a negative propaganda campaign against the BOR including threats of legal action and also,

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 10:12

had one owner who works in the onsite office for them, watch the tender process by gaining unauthorised access to the tender website set-up by the BOR. There is a very long history with far too many incidents to go into on here but needless to say, the site is split between those loyal to this unelected company and those who support the BOR. Whatever the rights and wrongs, this 'management company' are the most unprofessional company it has ever been my misfortune to deal with and seem to believe it is their site to run as they see fit. An EGM of owners has been called in the UK to discuss this but this one still has some distance to run I believe. For my own part, I am no longer paying management charges to a company that refuses to recognise or represent me.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 10:14

As there is no contract in place, there is nothing that can be done to make me pay and I know there are a lot of other owners who will be taking the same action. For those owners seeking a new management company to manage their investments I would say, check the prospective company very carefully and make sue you have a proper contract and SLA in place before employing their services.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 10:25

I was answering doughnut40 but sienna beat me to it!

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 14:07

just one question here. one of the above messages vistamar admit (re the email when the reffered to us) they were involved in watching the voteing process and placeing votes for owners. is this correct? in other words did you watch the voting from the beginning. yes or no?

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 15:37

Is this thread now serving any useful purpose given Savoy's original question ?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 16:10

It is serving a very deep and meaningful purpose indeed this thread is headed ‘Property Management’ and this is what is being debated 3782 views tells you that people are VERY interested in this thread

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 16:10

Cyberhiker –

Can I ask - will all fees not paid by owners be ‘pledged’ to the site for future use, or put into another account for the benefit of the marina?

Lynne

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 16:24

Cyberhiker –

It may be more appropriate to e-mail me off board with an answer to the above question!

Lynne

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 17:07

Sienna, the thread is indeed entitled Property Management but look at what the poster asked for - recommendations, which is what they got until msg 31 when Vistamar was mentioned and since then, apart from Basheer in msg 48, it's been an ongoing debate about their property management only. I agree that some of the problems identified may occur with other companies too & hence the level of interest you've quoted but I still take you back to Savoy's original enquiry which has been well and truly answered IMHO.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 17:19

Jimmy G some of your thread contributions on reading some of your postings are far less important ( football restauarants , smoking etc ) ,if you are uninterested in it dont click on it or are you trying to get this topic off thread and get it closed for someone !!

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 18:16

Sienna, from someone, such as your good self, who has contributed so frequently to the "Who killed Archie" ? thread (how important is that ?)-pot calling kettle springs to mind !!! For your info I have no interest in, or even know anyone involved in property management, as I do not own a property on a development.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 18:27

This thread is serving a purpose, It does not have to be the original purpose Members should stop squabbling on this thread.



Btw Posts on football, east enders or whatever are equally valid.



Harold

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 18:30

Jimmy G I am not the one moaning about this thread though am I - you are !!!



Now you have definately made it go of course if you have no interest in 'property management' then let those that have an interest in their investment continue to get to teh bottom of their very serious problem

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 18:52

Sienna / Harold I was neither moaning or squabbling but in msg 108 I merely asked a question and the rest is there for all to see - but I did resent the inference of my having a hidden agenda - I do not - but as you clearly wish me to 'butt out' then I will defer to your interest in this topic.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 19:05

I have to agree with Jimmy, either change the name of the title to Vista Management or close it. I was interested to see which PM companies were being recommended but this thread is just a Vista Management/Apartment owners debate.

Colliedog


Joined: 16/03/2007
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 19:09

Forum Admins,



Please keep this thread going, there's load of info coming out of the postings and it looks like there's more to come.



It is a topic which will interest a lot more complexes now and in the not too distant future. Take away the little bickering between just a few and what we have is what cyprus 44 is all about an " informative good thread " which needs to run it's course.

Please keep it running.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 19:22

Gosh

We had been seriously thinking of buying on the Marina development. Very impressed with the well managed grounds, pool and apartments,impressed that the site also has title Deeds in place.

Seemed to have everything in it's favour, thought that we had found a development that was a success.

We did hear the Management Co had refused entry to the Tender Companies, can anyone shed any light on this?.

We simply put this down to idle gossip, sure thats all it is too.

We have also been looking to buy at SWB not sure what to do now, seems they both have a few irons to sort out first.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 21:11

gillken yes an owner had to fly out at his own expense to let the other prospective tenderees on the site as they were not allowed access by the present M/C so I believe, I am sure the owner concerned can confirm this



you have to look a bit deeper than surface appearances on sites as keeping a garden weed free and the pool clean is the easy bit there is a lot more to managing a complex efficiently, effectively to the benefit of ALL owners

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/02/2010 21:34

I concur with Harold (message 115) and I am amazed that this thread has not fallen apart before now but that is down to the calibre of members posting on this thread. Keep it on topic and with no off topic personal vendettas and it will carry on.

Keep it clean.

AJ

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 00:51

I must say I have some sympathy with JimmyG's point of view. The thread has gone a little off topic but this is something I couldn't personally ignore once Vistamar 'threw their hat in the ring'. If anything good comes out of this thread, then at least it will make others think very carefully before employing the services of a management company. I have tried to remain objective and put my point over without descending into personal vendettas but this is a subject that has been running for some time on the Marina and passions are running high at the moment.

And no Gillken, it is not idle gossip that management companies wanting to tender were refused entry to the site by the incumbent MC. In fact, as far as I remember, a member of the BOR flew from the UK specifically to ensure that they were able to gain access, in spite of the best efforts of Vistamar.

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 00:57

Re: messages 110 & 111



Lynne,



I can't message you off board, I don't have enough posts apparently but this is a subject that will be discussed at the forthcoming EGM.

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 04:44

Cyberhiker,

OK - Look forward to meeting you there! Lynne

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 10:15

Gillken SWB has a great management company and the majority of owners are happy. As with everything NC things take time to sort and it can be frustrating especially if you are trying to deal with things from afar. We want all owners to be included in a legal and open owners association which is in the process of being setup.

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 12:30

Good luck with it all mint. Hope its the result is better that what the marina is.



not only does it look like vistamar do not answer on this thread, it looks like she doesnt answer owners emails either.



Dictatorship comes to mind. such a sorry state.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 13:03

Like there are good and bad builders ,good and bad developers there are good and bad Management Companies!!!



the most important thing on the Esentepe site now, that was not in place before is :-



1. A management Company that respects all owners



2. Full receipted audited accounts



3. Complete transparency , full consultation, when and where funds are spent



4. A swimming pool that is fully functional and not leaking



5. A sewerage plant that recycles water from the irrigation plant saving us £1,000 of pounds



6. A well producing water again saving us £100's



8. On going improvements to the site



and most important of all



9 A happy site

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 13:14

No it isnt gossip.

As the managment company were turning away, prospective tendering companies.

or refusing them admision to the site.

I at my own expence, and because of the situation, flew out to Cyprus to show some companies. round the site,

and on one occasion they were threatand with the police, While I was with them.

i am sure should it be needed that this company will confirm what i have just stated as true.

they are a proper profesional managment company that abides by the rules.

and it wasnt D&B,( before the poisen pens start)

missymongrel


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 14:03

Gillken,



We have a property on SWB and are more than happy with the management company. It is a very small proportion of the residents that have a problem with RMS and rumour has it it's because they want to run it! SWB is a fantastic site - I can't recommend it enough!

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 15:15

i do believe that Esentepe, had the same company as the Marina now have, Vistamar managment

who are ellegedly running the marina now without any form of contract.

Before an owners revolt at esentepe got them out.how lucky were you?

your message makes me, and i sure a lot of owners at the Marina very envios.

I would settle for the sewage plant working properly, to start with, oh and maybe the pool repaired.

and no fellow owners working in the office knowing everyones business.

and commenting on it to others.

is that too much for one day

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 15:25

Hi

Thank you all for confirming what I thought was JUST a rumor. With greatest respect I am sure there is always two sides to a story.

It is obvious reading the threads that this Co are not happy with the site themselves, this is very transparent by the fact that they have not entered a Tender for the site. No one would miss a "Tender" intentially?

But as for;

Intimidation of owners, threat of legal action against them?

Unresponsive to queries?

Refuse to give up site Management?

Refuse to acknowledge the Site Board?

Refuse entry to visitors with professional appointments on site?

Hack into confidential information?

Change votes?

Are these legal and acceptable practices in the TRNC?

When I holiday I want happy smiley faces and a well run site. As I see it the MC are our employees and such our staff. If I pay their wages then it is up to me to make the demands and they would have to deliver. I would expect them to be both courteous and invisible Is this too much to ask!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:45

gillken: "It is obvious reading the threads that this Co are not happy with the site themselves"



On the contrary, the incumbent MC are VERY happy with the site thats why they're fighting so hard to stay in place.



gillken: "this is very transparent by the fact that they have not entered a Tender for the site. No one would miss a "Tender" intentially?"



You would if you thought you had an automatic right to stay in place without having to enter a tender process, as evidenced by the fact that the incumbent would not let other tendering companies onto the site.



To be honest, imo, if they had submitted a tender on time and in competition with the other tendering companies they'd probably have won anyway as they already had the advantage of knowing the site running costs.



The problem is, as they said themselves in message 91, "it's all a game" ... a game of Poker in which they want to make up their own rules, shuffle the cards, cut the pack, and deal themselves all the aces

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 18:45

I think that people should know that "sunrise" is actualy Iris Armstrong, Mike Armstrong's mother.



Mike Armstrong was appointed by our developer at SWB to manage this site. His mother therefore has a direct financial interest and should not be getting involved in this debate at all.



We also know that she works in the officed at SWB and is therefore privy to all sorts of confidential information which she has not been shy to share on this forum in the past under a number of pseudonyms.



I strongly suspect that she is also Arnold who is also taking part in this debate.

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 19:24

Iris has never hidden the fact she is Sunrise and as far as I can see she hasnt commented on this thread so I fail to see the relevence.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 20:29

'arnold' hasn't commented about SWB or RMS either.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 20:45

Hi Millzer



Sorry but what you are saying just doesn't add up!!



You state that the MC think they will automatically retain their position?I am sure they wouldn't be so arrogant to think this the case. After all they would need costings of future site fees, how could the Owners Committee without any costings take on a MC that has not put in a tender so have no idea what the years fees will be.



You then say that if they had put in a formal tender they would most probably have got it. Sorry I think I am loosing the plot here.



Call me thick if you like but;



All I see is a Co that obviously decided to terminate their relationship with the site. How can they stay if the Marina Owners accept one of the tenders.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 21:38

Hi gilliken, with respect I think you are losing the plot, but only because you never understood the plot (in this instance) in the first place. Please don't take this the wrong way its not meant to be insultive to you, but there is so much that has been (and is) going on that many ppl would be here a month of sundays trying to explain.



You don't think that the MC would be so arrogant as to assume!!! don't you believe it. In essence, the current MC does NOT want to terminate their relationship with the site, they want to remain, they know the costs, but they didn't want to submit a tender because they think they have enough owners on side to force a vote enabling them to stay. The Marina site has two factions, those that want the current MC to remain, and the others who want a competitive tender. You say how can an owners committee take on a MC without costings! The MC are already there and they refuse to recognise the current committee.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 22:50

millzer



Looking back at the threads the MC refuse to accept the new committee due to so few actually using their votes. If what you are saying is true and everyone used their vote this would have changed the outcome in favour of the MC.

You are saying that the "none voters" stayed away because they were on the side of the MC?

I am not on anybodies side, but find this all intriguing.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 23:13

In any democracy you cannot count voters that do not 'vote', whether for or against. No I'm not saying the voters that stayed away are on the MC's side or not, to be honest most are probably so confused they don't even know what they are voting for now, as so much has been sent to them from both factions of owners i.e those on the committee and those owners working for and supporting the current MC.



A proper tender process took place with other companies submitting theirs, but the current MC didn't submit their tender until some time AFTER the closing deadline. The current MC refuse to acknowledge either the other tendering companies or the committee and seem to think that they have the right to stay without entering a competitive tender process.



Although I believe what I've stated to be correct this is the last I plan to say on the subject as there are others better qualified to comment first hand than I.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 23:25

The M.C. will not recognise the Commitee and will not work with them so we have stale mate.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 02:18

What happens in May 2010 when the present MC's contract comes to it's official closure? After all you have a legally recognised "Owners Com". It is up to the Owners Com" to oversee the running of the site,it will be vital for the running of the site to have a positive and strong relationship with the MC.

Or are you telling us that a company will refuse to leave and carry on operating without a contractual agreement.

So what happens when the new MC come on site and the old MC are refusing to leave?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 09:45

message 141 I think you have answered your own questions, if you have been trying to work with this company and they will not work with you I think they need reminding who is employing who here !!



142 - thats exactly what the company will do after the vote they are now conducting with a choice of ONE !! see message 102



The committee have given this Company too many chances and the MC continue to ignore and ride rough shod over them they will never change their attitude !

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 10:35

Sienna

Let me get this right, the present MC have conducted their own ballot, were people ONLY have ONE choice???The MC have inappropriately conducted a ballot, this is shocking and frankly scary stuff.

Can I ask who owns the Marina and Grounds?

Can I confirm you're stating they simply will refuse to move off site, and carry on with the maintenance after the deadline of May 2010?

If their contract is officially terminated by the "Owners Com" then surly if the stay on site they are trespassing?

How come they have not been legally challenged?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 11:00

Message 144, in a nutshell that pretty much sums it up. The OWNERS all own an equal 1/162 of the site as per each apartment.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 12:27

I still can't take it all in and I am sure many more reading this thread won't be able to either.

It is all a little unbelievable and bizarre to say the least.

I think it is only fair to hear comments from the MC themselves, I am sure they would like an opportunity to put things right here, especially as there is so much interest in this thread. After all what has been stated will not be favourable to their business.

Like I first stated I am only interested because having visited the site and seen how peaceful and beautifully it is maintained we were interested in buying.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 17:10

I think also the purpose of why the site wanted to go to tender has been lost in all the arguing. Currently the site is run as a 'total management fee' there is NO accountability on spending NO accounts are shown to owners, NO improvements are made or long term plans made for any improvements. It simply runs from day to day. It was quoted earlier on in this debate about getting all owners (162 in this instance) to agree to buying sunbeds - that will never happen that will all be extra on top of your monthly payments! under this system

Other MC's run their sites differently 'fund under management' which mean they are paid a salary to run the site and every penny paid is used on the site if there is cost savings made ie on running the sewerage plant more efficiently then that money can be spent as the owners wish ! Owners want their site to move forward how can they when every obstacle is placed in their way. They want an input into their investments is that too much to ask? IMO NO

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 18:54

Not to much to ask imo.

How do other sites run

keith

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 12:31

Hello to All



I was not going to post on this thread, however sitting back and reading this all is very upsetting.

facts are:

1. The majority do not want us to leave.

2. Our fee is £45 per month and this is guaranteed that the MC cannot ask for a top up, and not only are majority of owners happy so are the owners' guests and visitors to the site.

3. Esentepe pay monthly fees to a fund and have a contingency fund so when you add the 2 figures up ????

4. The divide has been caused by the BoR, they were NOT elected by the majority and their single aim was to get rid of Vistamar together with Sienna and Co.



If Sienna can post on here emails etc from Marina site that has got nothing to do with him, why does he not prove his audited accounts etc and fees and what has gone up in Esentepe and prove that he has a happy site.

I do not want attacks on me ... show me the diffrence Sienna ...

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 13:11

message 149 I refer you back to message 128, which adequately explains the situation we now have on Esentepe site



Other than that I have no further comment to make BUT to say, when you as a company leave Esentepe site alone and STOP coming on our site taking unauthorised photos and sending them to Marina owners in an attempt to discredit our MC and thus trying to sway Marina votes to you and REMEMBER you are merely an employee for owners of THEIR properties, then I will have no reason to comment any further.



Also you would do well to think on … approaching 5,000 views on this thread and you have bought it back to the top again well done !



btw I am not a HE

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 13:33

Well written again sheSienna but it does not give us the diffrence on the site so that we can compare. Lets have the open and transparent running of the site as you say you have.

I come to Esentepe because I still look after apartments there and I am not discrediting the MC there I am merely showing the diffrence between Esentepe and Marina ... Does that bother you if you have a beautiful site that all owners are happy on?



regards

Bea

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 13:58

WE do not have to 'prove' our openess and transparancy TO YOU. The OWNERS on our site know it is there and that is all that matters. Again I refer you to message 128, this is what we now have in place that we did not have when you were running it. There would be no point in trying to explain a fund V fee to you as you do not understand the concept of it.



Thank you for your admission in writing with regards to the photos that you came and took on our site. You were not merely 'showing the difference' between our site and the Marina, the photos were stage managed by you and attempted to show our site in a bad light to Marina owners because you know that D&B run our site and you also know that D&B (along with others) were tendering to run the Marina site, hence why you sent these photos to your Marina owners without seeking permission form our site MC and this was an attempt by you to say to Marina owners, continue

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 14:03

I believe your e-mail to Marina owners said words to the effect of " do you want your site to look like this", is that not an attempt to discredit someone????? Is this not in breach of the rules when in the midst of a tender process???? and btw, the photos you took were after the severe storms and a clear up was work in progress, in addition to other work in progress, so a snapshot of 'stage managed' photos distributed to your Marina owners was very professional ... NOT.

SarahJB



Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 14:24

Steve Dickison Property Mangement and insurance services

Contact Steve or Andrew for all your property managemnent needs and take advantage of our competence, efficiency and ingtegrity

Lapta: Steve

Office: 0392 821 1228 Mob: 05428731231

Girne: Andrew

Office: 0392 815 7801 Mob: 0533 866 7563

Famagusta: Sarah

Office: 0392 366 4940 Mob: 0533 832 0174

Famagusta: Ralf

Office: 0392 366 4940 Mob: 0533 8347762

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 14:30

Dear Sienna



Once again you pull the wool over everyones eyes, the photos were not taken after severe storms, and how do you receive your information on what I send to marina owners? this would be very interesting as it will show what the BoR and you all have been up to behind everyones back.



Why do you say for me to butt out and all you do is bring fuel to the fire??? as they say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. However, I am not discrediting D&B they get paid for doing the service, Esentepe is a fund and it is the committee that is liable.



Initially you said that by running a fund owners did not have to pay the KDV(VAT), then why has your prices increased to include the KDV? is this not true ... so who understands the Fund V Fee?



You also mention the sewrage treatment plant ... it is the same as the marina and it is run exactly the same in esentepe (dont forget we ran it there as well) so this means that we also are saving £1000s for the marina.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 14:42

for information I have not received anything from the BoR, as you aware I know many many owners on the Marina, Bay and Reserve sites



I am not going into further details on the running of the fund, as said because of your lack of understanding



The sewerage plant was not working correctly at Esentepe until our new management company came on site see message 128- I have heard that you dispose of sewerage 'in other ways' so I am glad ot hear you have the Marinas finally after three years. The money saved goes back into the fund at Esentepe, where does yours go hmmmmmmmm food for thought.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 15:10

Where the money goes is on full time employees that are actually on site everyday from 7.30 till 4, cleaning of the communal areas, the gym at the marina is cleaned everyday, the gardens are well maintained, etc and I do not take monies out of the contingency fund for minor repairs. This is what is given back to the owners at the Marina from their MC.



Are you saying that the Esentepe Sewrage treatment plant has been changed and has the MC paid the £9000 needed to change the system? if so can we have proof!



I am very happy to compare the 2 sites out in the open with you. Open and transparent.



Lets see who gives better value for money! after all we all want the best for the sites. and if I can adopt anything to help the owners at the marina |I will sure take it on board.



Regards

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 15:49

Our contingency fund is in tact and untouched since you departed our site. In fact the only monies EVER taken from our contingency fund was by yourself if you recall.



I don't know what you're doing to the sewage plant at the Marina! Ours is working fine now, recycling the waste as was originally intended. I know nothing about any £9000 for your repairs, but what I do know is that we have a superb site engineer who knows what he's doing, has fixed it, and is now 'top notch'



I don't have to compare our site with any other site! As long as everything is open & transparant amongst owners on OUR site that is all that matters. As for who gives better value for money, again, I refer you to message 128 with regard to how our site is now running comparing what we had before with what we have now and that is all the comparison I need in order to determine exactly WHO gives me as an owner better value for money thank you.



Keep digging, the hole is getting bigger.

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 16:10

On the marina we have no account transparency. on the marina vistamar disciples are favoured over other owners. we have no choice of tender. legal action put forward by vistamar takes away choice from owners and stops tender going ahead. marina contingency fund in place where vistamar dictate their chosen signatures which are vistamar themself and vistamar employee/husband. legal action sent to owners if they dare ask questions that vistamar do not want to answer. vistamar place owners working in the office which involves conflict of interest and this purely adds fuel to divide the site. owners working in the office along with vistamar who have contributed to the recent voided vote of tender on the marina, dictating once and for all, that vistamar rule the marina and do not run it.



esentepe: you do not know how lucky you are....or do you?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 16:23

Arnold we know exactly how lucky we are - unfortunately you have a one one band that sings the same old tune continually.



As I have pointed out a MC is an employee. If you had a plumber that done a bad job would you invite him back again, if an accountant did your accounts wrong would you employ them again.



We now have a good company that has improved our site 100% enough said )))))))

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 16:52

Sienna

The only tune played over and over again is yours, you love causing problems, I ask again lets compare.

lets see what audited accounts you have given out to owners with receipts.

The sewrage treatment plant was working at Esentepe when we were there, I would like to call cyprus pools in to Esentepe to prove that nothing has changed, will you agree to this?

For your comments on bad jobs done - Vistamar does the right job and I am a fee and I do not need to show my accounts, when and if the system changes to a fund then we will show the accounts.

Just a note that we know that ALL owners are not happy at Esentepe and there are owners that have been badly treated, I do wish that more owners would speak up. Both on Marina and Esentepe, but they do not want to be attacked by the same people playing the same tune.



Regards

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 17:00

Arnold,



Please name me 1 person that has been treated differently to another owner on the Marina that does not favour VM. These attacks are nasty and I would like proof now with statements.

What we have on the Marina at the moment is a few owners hellbent on getting rid of VM. And if I were here without the support of the majority, you can bet your last dollar that I would have been served papers to leave the site from their solicitors.



Regards

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 17:08

Vistamar I DO NOT have to answer to you on any thing anymore !!! you are no longer on our site and are merely and ex employee - if there are any disgruntled owners at Esentepe they need to contact the Committee to date there has not been any - if you are willing to come on here and wash your dirty linen and continue to act in the unprofessional manner we are accustomed to you doing then so be it - god only knows what you are putting OWNERS through on the other sites if you are willing ot argue over a site that has nothing and never will have anything more to do with you, then it shows all 5,000 viewers my point !



I don't think we want to go there on the subject of pools and how much water you were tankernig in from the Bay site do we !!



Why not answer the owner you do manage in message 159 - instead of trying to flit from one point to another and promptly losing the argument because I am dealing in FACT not your head fiction

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 17:42

why dont you dispose of the shovel, and hire a digger.

then you can make the hole that you are digging for youself, deeper, and a lot quicker

rather dangerous ground you tread when sewage comes on the scene.

i speak as a sufferer from your unique method of sewage disposal(pump it over the wall)

no one will notice the smell.only the chumps in A and B blocks.

.and why should you bother if it makes them feel sick.

we cant smell it in the office can we.?

do you really think that people are that neive.

the sewage situation at the marina is well documented, on the marina forum .

If the engineer that managed to sort out esentebe sewage problem and it didnt cost them £9000-00

what is happening at the Marina? or arent we allowed to ask.?

can i ask why this costing has never been mentioned in your news letters.

so that owners are aware of a future bill,

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 18:00

thanks for confirming yours is not working at the Marina which is totally confusing me now because in message 155 it is stated they run the sewerage plant the same, with the same savings reusing water for the irrigation system - clearly NOT then if it is going over the wall............. hmmm nice



OURS AT ESENTEPE DID NOT cost £9,000 to repair our MC D&B had specialist fly over from Turkey and it has been working effectively and efficiently ever since.



We were also told that we would never get water form our well - SHOCK HORROR that was wrong as well !!! (pardon the pun) ......

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
01/03/2010 19:17

Hi sHe666

I cannot understand why you have not put in your Tender, it really doesn't matter that you do not recognise the legality of Owners Committee at the end of the day "YOUR" contract comes to an end in May 2010!

If you are correct in saying the majority are in favour of keeping your MC services...........which would be 81 votes (at the very least) out of a possible 160 properties, why has no one come forward to supported you?

I am sure that out of the 5000 clicks on this topic there would be a considerable number of owners from the Marina following this thread, why haven't they spoken up on your behalf? We have been informed that anyone whom does not support you have been muzzled by threats of court action, it is understandable that these people must be too scared to speak up!!

The Owners Committee is "legal". If owners choose not to use their vote, then that vote is lost...simple. If only five voted then it would be the majority of the five that would win!

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 13:59

Gillken



Please email me and I will forward to you all information and you can decide for yourself.



Regards

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 14:38

Sienna & Noyourwonk,

To settle this sewrage treatment plant issue lets get an independant engineer to report on both sites. Our system does work and we use the water for irrigation. This was the setup at both sites from the begining.

When I sent an email out to owners stating that we had a problem with the sewrage treatment, what did the BoR member do? He sent an email to Seaterra stating that I was running a propaganda campaign against Seaterra!

Noyourwonk, did we not have a meeting with Seaterra and yourself, did they not say that it runs manually and that is the only problem because of low occupancy? and did they not say that it has been approved by the authorities? If there is any changes to be done should this not come from the contingency fund? but first you must contribute to it.

Noyourwonk why did you not support your MC then. Other owners were also asked if they could smell the sewrage treatment plant by another BoR member and she was told that they could not.

regards

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 15:03

Low occupancy has nothing to do with it that was the excuse on our site for 2 years however, lets get one thing straight YOU have nothing TO DO with our SITE, we have our own Management Company which is NOT you therefore we do NOT NEED any engineer coming on our site. I have told you our Sewage plant is NOW working correctly and effciently, you are not authorised to call ANY engineer on our SITE you are no longer welcome on there - what you do for the Marina is up to the owners on there!



get a professional grip of yourself !!!!

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 15:31

Sienna



Well said again, when it comes to the truth you back off with harsh words. So for once practice what you preach stop causing problems on other sites and degrading everyone except your MC. You have put yourself in a position where you cannot find faults with your MC.

Sticking up for my self does not make me unprofessional, you make untrue statements I have answered you.



Enjoy yourself, life is too short for this attitude you have.



Regards

Bea

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 15:43

of course it is well put by myself I am dealing in factual truth, therefore there is no dispute. I am not causing problems just telling others what we now have as in message 128 that we didnt have before I know that is hard, for some, including yourself to swallow as you and all your little followers thought we would crumble without Vistamar Management, unfortunately for you, but very fortunate for us and also other sites that are not managed by yourself are 100% better off, as there are far more professional MC 's including the one we have but not excluding all others with a better manner and respect for the owners than you - and Amen to that !

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 20:05

you are so right. i did speak with a represetative of Seaterar regarding the sewage systam. and yes he did say that it would have to be worked manualy becausethere was never going to be enought people at the marina at one time to make it work automaticaly.

At that time whenver i complained about the stink you had the local councal send there crap wagon to pump,out some of the sewage, and relieve the situation re smells.

Being a member of the BOR, you know the owners elected body that you refuse to recognise.

I suggested that you as managment company chased seaterra to get this problem sorted before the five year garantee run out. HAVE YOU? of course not it was seaterra who gave you the job for ONE year wasnt it?

As far as other owners not complaning. i think those who wouldnt dare are your supporters.

in fact one of there guists last year had to move there loungers to get away from the stink . and giving up went out for the rest of the day, as for others what can i say . dodgy sin

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
02/03/2010 22:42

Hi sHe666

In reply to your post, I do not think it appropriate to go off line and have private conversation, the reason I am posting on this thread is to try and gain clarity on the situation at the same time share it with the other 5000 clicks that are also interested.

I have given you every opportunity to be open. Yet you persistently edge around answering my ....and to that any others questions put to you.

I supported you you initially, but to be frank you are avoiding the same questions time and time again!

PLEASE PLEASE CAN YOU CONFIRM..............

Why you did not submit a Tender?

What you anticipate is going to happen in May2010 when your contract comes to an end?

What gives you the legal authority to ignore the Owners Committee?

(Please do NOT use the excuse that it is not legal..... it is!)



Can you also clear up.

Why does your profile state you are an Advertising Rep?

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 12:38

Gillken



1, I did not submit a tender because the majority wanted Vistamar to stay and I have emails between BoR members plotting how to get rid of me and the other tendering companies were told that there was going to be a new MC appointed by the BoR - this is not fair and the votes were not going to be open or transparent I had no chance. I am not against a tender, |I want a fair one.

2, My contract is not coming to an end in 2010, It has been renewed, it is now up to the owners to elect a new committee and get a contract signed on behalf of the owners.

3, it is NOT me ignoring the committee, they must have been elected by the majority so that the majority agrees with them and they must prove to the majority that they are working with them and not against the majorities wishes.

4, I joined cyprus44 when I was an advertising rep, I will change it.

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 13:02

Noyourwonk,



So by me calling the council to make your life easier is a bad thing, should I have ignored you? Seaterra and I have had arguments regarding snaggings and sewrage system, can you tell me exactly what the BoR has done for the site since they were elected by less then 50%? besides make my job harder. Oh yes they were quick to email them and tell them that I was running a propaganda campaign against them ... that is the BoR that have given Seaterra a get out of jail free card. If Seaterra recognised the BoR and the both together fought against VM, why was the sewrage treatment plant not brought to Seaterra's attention? Please do not make out that I have done wrong by you or anyone !

It was I that set up that meeting on site so that you could also speak to them, there have been 4 engineers that have been brought in to investigate the system. When owners, Seaterra and Kibris Insaat went into the plant below ground, was it not well looked after and clean.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 13:05

Ha Ha un- believ-able the audacity about the whole situation is unreal !!! poor Marina owners



1. VM submitted a tender after the process had started and after they had seen sight of all the other tenderees proposals - not adhering to a tender process in any way shape or form and exactly what happened at Esentepe site - Gillken they cannot enter into a tendering process because they do not understand how and what that means !



2. The current contract is between the developer ST and VM not owners - It has not been renewed as VM refuse to sign a contract with owner



3. VM have continually ignored all OWNERS , that shall we say do not agree with THEM there is a lot of fear and favour and always has been on all sites managed by them

VM were told by an advocate to work with the elected Committee and they have done everything including using employess to discredit the Committe including threats of legal action everytime they question anythign that happens on their site

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 13:19

Sienna



You find all this very amusing so you keep at it.

1. this did not just happen, this was started by you and you still keep at it. I guess I just have to live with your antics, luckily I am very patient.

2. It is always what the majority wants. Why did Esentepe not go for tender again? Did the majority vote for D&B to stay? or did the handful decide that they were to stay with the MC?

3. Owners fear you not me, please do not get that confused. How am I ignoring owners that do not agree with me? I am here am I not? and you say I am unprofessional !!!

legal action because of slander etc but I never called in the so called policemen to the site and threatened owners that did not agree with me.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 13:34

I am NOT finding this amusing I find your behaviour appauling actually as do many



Of course I make no apology for striving for a better Management for our site, after all no one re-employs bad companies do they.!!!! A proper tender process was conducted, clearly you don't agree because you LOST and I have no regrets as we are now in a better place s said in message 128 which I keep referring you too. We have a better site, a better management company and we all enjoy each others company. Again you are not understanding business and how it works keep going Vistamar as noyourwonk says ........ Keep digging.



Others can now see just what sort of company you are and how unprofessional you portray yourself - well done !

sHe666


Joined: 20/01/2008
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 13:45

Sienna,



Actually I am receiving emails to say that I am doing the right thing and that I have put up with all this for too long and if this was the UK you would have second thoughts about attacking a company as you have. and every owner knows that the ones that keep attacking are the same people over and over again. Lets just end it here and move on you with your battles and me with mine.

If there are any problems here at the Marina leave it for us to sort out. Hopefully it will all end soon and we can have the happy site that we deserve. thats if the BoR members can move on too.



regards and all the best to every one that owns a place in sunny cyprus.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 14:03

Yes probably your followers emailing, that is to be expected - the truth is always hard for some to swallow, but they see eventually.



When you understand business better maybe then you might understand and take on board what others say - but understanding business ? I think that maybe along time coming



and your last remark is precisely the point some on the Marina cannot enjoy their place in the sun and my opinion it will never be happy site as the divide is too deep and that scar created by you will never heel



Other companies would not conduct themselves in this manner -



QUOTE from your post above ' Lets just end it here and move on you with your battles and me with mine' I have no battles clearly you have unfortunately you will always see things as a battle. where as professional companies alway seek solutions -

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 14:53

Think we need to sum up the evidence



A managements Company that refuses to accept the legal "Owners Committee"

Whom tamper with confidential emails regards to the "Tendering process"

Inform the other "Tenderer's" that they have wasted there time putting in a Tender

Now saying they have have renewed their contract, yet this is impossible as they refuse to recognise the Legal representatives of the site whom have legally asked for Tenders.

No one from the Marina has spoken up in defence or given any support to the MC on this thread.

But people feel so strongly about how they were managed on other sites they come forward and challenge.

Marina owners have been intimidated by MC if they challenge the MC with threats of legal action.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 15:29

Enough has been said about what is going on at the marina, only to say I am left speechless that this company can over ride rough shod anyone whom acts in a legal capacity. It is totally unacceptable that a MC who needs the support of the "Bor",whom are the legally elected representatives of the site whether the MC like it or not.

The owners all had a vote, some chose to use their vote and some didn't. This is normal, but a MC whom have a paranoia about loosing the site contract, which is beautifully maintained, have over stepped their professional arrangement and have tried to cause anarchy.

This is such a shame, I have visited the site with a view to purchase, but would never consider a purchase with this situation.

My interpretation of a MC, is that they are there to serve me, If I have issues I take it to the committee, they will then inform the MC. Therefore the MC are only responsible to the "Bor" that is why you elected them.

You can never keep everyone happy.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 16:59

Mess 174

1, I did not submit a tender because the majority wanted Vistamar to stay and I have emails between BoR members plotting how to get rid of me and the other tendering companies were told that there was going to be a new MC appointed by the BoR - this is not fair and the votes were not going to be open or transparent I had no chance. I am not against a tender, I want a fair one.

Off course the "BOR" would be looking for a new MC, they are the New Owners so put out to tender, this is not a slur on you, simply ethical and professional working practice that protects everyone's interests.



2, My contract is not coming to an end in 2010 It has been renewed, it is now up to the owners to elect a new committee and get a contract signed on behalf of the owners

The only Co whom can renew your contract are the previous owners, whom longer have an interest in the Marina, such you need a new contract via the BoR whom legally represent the owners.

So who has renewed your new contract

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 17:36

So, if your contract has been renewed, how come that I, one of your customers hasn't seen it or signed it? Are you expecting me to pay you for this non-existent contract? If so, I feel you may be disappointed.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 17:51

This is what I have been saying how professional is it to come on a forum stating that your contract has been renewed, without the owners as in message 184 even knowing about it !!! the arrogance beggars belief



This is probably the result of the self election that Vistamar held where the choice was Vistamar or Vistamar with 'hand picked' owner/employees conducting the voting - as mentioned in message 102



I tell you this would be funny if it wasn't so serious because it can only be a joke right ?! no one really would think this is normal business behaviour would they ?.......... bring in a code of conduct for Management Companies I say !

noyourwonk


Joined: 15/02/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:13

Bea.

when are you going to stop this nonsense?

You are not even aware that your actions are making people extremly unhappy

you were employed as a managment company at the Marina, your origanal contract was with seaterra and for one year. somehow you managed to stay for another two,

Now if you can try to understand. A lot of owners want a new managment company .NOT YOU.

You dear lady have managed to make what should have been a plesant place to come for a break, from our ouside life, into what can only be described as a disaster., a misery,

from day one you have done as you pleased without any concern for owners. except of course your mates.

you have to please understand that the owners you are giving a hard time to will not forget, i know i wont.

when you threaten people with legal action you start to tread a very fine line.and in my opinion you have stepped over that line. no more nonsence please just go on the 30-4-2010, and allow the marina to be the happy place it should

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:39

Complete outsider with interest on another complex i cant understand how of over 160 owners only 6 are active in this debate and as far as i read sienna is not a owner but is interfeering in somebody elses problems, if your place is runnig ok leave it to the marina ones to sort there own things out mess 186 /187 is that an echo

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:43

PS have you all got your deeds cos till then you are not owners as i found out sorry

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:48

Not interferring putting the facts right I only started to comment about our site and got challenged for it, if you look back, then got asked questions this is after all a free forum and the title is Property Management - the owners if you read through the post on the Marina are too scared to post as the MC frowns upon such openess thats why not many post.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:51

yes title deeds have been issued and you are always the contractual owner anyway that still doesnt give any MC more rights than a contractual owner as they own nothing

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:52

tamand, message 188. If someboby who was your FORMER management company kept coming onto your site, taking photos, sending them to the owners on their other site, stirring it up amongst the very small number of owners on your site whom they still hold keys for and generally trying to denegrate yourself and your new MC, WOULD YOU NOT FEEL ENTITLED TO COMMENT????

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 18:59

Ok then no problem, just wondered why only a handful are kicking up, cant understand why somebody indipendent cant hold an open ballot stay or go even, but being as i have seen this kind of thing before the noisy minority wont accept it anyway so why bother, by the way its not true that you are an owner till you get your deeds but thats a nother story and dont want to turn into an arguement so its goodnight from me

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 19:04

192 why you shouting you and you r wife are not a problem to me honest just asked why you feel so strong why not let them sort it out, just seems strange only 5/6 people making a noise and it dont fit that ALL the rest are scared

Last comment

sorry i came on

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 19:08

tamand, I'm not shouting at you but EMphasising (although granted caps is often taken as shouting) as I said in 192, when the sHe devil deems to butt out of the affairs of the site that we are on then we will butt out of hers. I though I'd been quite good up to now in staying out of it

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 19:34

It also doesn't fit that all of the rest of the owners would necessarily be members of this forum! We are not 'making a noise', as you put it, we are voicing our legitimate concerns regarding the MC on our site.

lynlou


Joined: 16/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 22:33

Does anyone know who Bea renewed the contract with?

I as an owner have not been asked……

VM don’t recognise the BoR so it cant be with them…

Sea terra no longer own the Marina…

??????

However, it has been stated by a VM employee that if 51% pay their fees then that is equivalent to a renewed contract….. surely not….

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
03/03/2010 23:24

Please Please,

Get proper legal advice, it is obvious it is needed by everyone on the Marina, my thoughts are truly with you all, it sounds as if you are all about to make a HUGE mistake and will pay for it dearly.

Guppy


Joined: 03/03/2010
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
04/03/2010 01:03

I dont often get involved in forums and have tried to stay out of the argument between Vistamar and BOR but I own on Marina so here goes - I didnt vote for the BOR but seemed reasonable just didnt mind who did it. Bea seemed ok in early communication. When the problems between VM and BOR started I asked Bea for info on what my money covered and what sort of guarantee I would get on refund if they left the site. This is when problems started for me - got no response but email weeks later saying i was late paying - true but had asked questions and no repsonse so bit reluctant to pay. stated this and got same response - ie none. I now wont pay until this is sorted out properly.

I felt it was easy to resolve by VM tendering then we could all see and vote but you've seen history.

Easy way out again just re do the tender, VM put into it and move forward but from what ive seen this wont happen. oh the joy of buying abroad! wont do again in hurry.

teddybear



Joined: 04/01/2008
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
04/03/2010 06:54

I am not sure who Gilken is but on message 183 they mention that a contract has been agreed. As a member of the BoR at the Marina i can tell every one that there has been no contract signed by the MC and they have not been told they are there till 2011. This is the same company that e-mailed the BoR back and refused to discuss or tell the owners that they would abide and sign a contract. This is the same MC who for over 2 years now have not send out a statement to owners advising them of how there money on the Marina is being spent. This is the same company that sent an e-mail to me telling me that the owners dont pay them to send out statements. This woman has self importance on the Marina not the good of the Majority of owners.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
04/03/2010 13:59

Thank you Teddybear for confirming that as yet a "new contract "has not yet been agreed with "ANY Man Co".



Bea, can you explain why you are stating you have a contact in place, when clearly this is not the case.



Bea, why are you misleading all the readers and owners to believe this is the case.

LynxLtd


Joined: 24/04/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
04/03/2010 16:37

Very interesting points raised by all parties. Looking to the future, the following may avoid such issues:

1. Clear legislation of the “Property & Facilities Management” trade

2. Official syndicate governing the Property & Facilities Management professionals

3. Contract of Sale should include a Property & Facilities Management appendix to be signed

4. Contract of Sale should include the CC&R’s (conditions, covenants, & restrictions) to be signed

5. Developers should be subject to a tight DLP (deficiency liability period) for common facilities

6. Homeowners’ management company should manage the DLP

7. Tenders to be audited/controlled by neutral professional body i.e. the syndicate proposed above

8. The formation and legal empowerment of an Owner’s Committee

I hope this helps.

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