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No1Doyen
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 22 in Discussion |
| Just as the United Nations has created difficulties in finding a solution to the entire body of Cyprus problems, one conviction can be alleged herein with ease. When one accepts that the Cyprus problem began not in 1974 but rather in 1964 (and that is the fact of the matter), the following reality can be faced: The status of the UN peacekeeping force sent to the island to help quell the violent clashes between communities there actually presents an intractable hindrance to the solution these days. United Nations Security Council Resolution 186, adopted unanimously on March 4, 1964, was one rendered by the UN with the aim of stopping the flow of blood between communities on the island. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-270886-the-uns-cyprus-approach-an-open-letter-to-un-general-secretary-ban-ki-moon-by-mehmet-hasguler.html |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 22 in Discussion |
| I have asked this question before but does anyone have the falataly figures from both sides from 60 to 74 ? this is not a trick question I would like to know |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:41 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 22 in Discussion |
| Whats "falataly figures " |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 22 in Discussion |
| Msg 3 people killed then, is that better you may live in one of their houses or maybe you have a pre -74 turkish property |
No1Doyen
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 22 in Discussion |
| I think he means Fatality |
EamonnMc
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 22 in Discussion |
| Msg 3, Daily Mail Headline "Dyslexia For Found Cure " lol. no offense meant to anyone. |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 22 in Discussion |
| It wasn't a trick question,... I just wanted to know |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 22:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 22 in Discussion |
| Sorry . spelling gone to @@@@ but was interested in geniune or assumed figures of the dead between those dates |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:01 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 22 in Discussion |
| Probably not as many as there would have been if Nikos Sampson hadn't got his marching orders ! |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 22 in Discussion |
| I know alot of G/Cs got killed by Sampson but would be interested in the overall figures fro 60 to say 75 |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 22 in Discussion |
| I was lead to believe that history started in 1974,....... or so i'm told. |
mikelapta
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 22 in Discussion |
| Bill,wow,I will re-read in the morning,and comment further. PB we are talking thousands. Bill,I reckon we are talking 50's when UK suddenly pulled out because of Greek EOKA killing British troops. PB if you ever come to Cyprus,I can show you villages of Turkish villages savaged by Greek soldiers. Schools where all the children were killed,a village where all the men were rounded up,taken to the south,and disappeared,women and children thrown into a quarry and killed. Enough for now Mike |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 22 in Discussion |
| History really started with the British offering indepence/Enosis during the 2 war which never happened hence right /wrong bought about EOKA in 1955 then Denktash started the TMT in 1957 from there the rest is history |
newlad
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 22 in Discussion |
| Is this the same Sampson that was de-facto president of the Republic of Cyprus July 15- 23rd 1974.Thats shorter then Brian Cloughs reign at Leeds United, Paul. |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 08/02/2012 23:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 22 in Discussion |
| In june 1958 a bomb exploded in the turkish embassy in Cyprus On june 26th 1984 Rauf Dentash admitted on bristish channel itv that the bomb was placed by themselves and repeated the claim in 1995 to a Turkish paper |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 00:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 22 in Discussion |
| PB you seem well informed of some of the information perhaps you would like to enlighten us on the deaths for the period you request. I would wager I know the contents of your answer |
philbailey
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 00:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 22 in Discussion |
| Msg 16 , are you suggesting that more G/Cs than T/Cs were killed in that period ? |
Turtle
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 00:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 22 in Discussion |
| Im not suggesting anything of the sort........ however I think we both know that your bias views will tell us what you want us to know. |
joecarr
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 13:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 22 in Discussion |
| hi everyone , on another subject was the north and south within 2 wks of the last talks suppose to have put together their property issues> |
Tangerineman
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 13:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 22 in Discussion |
| Between 21 and 26 December 1963, the conflict centered in the Omorphita suburb of Nicosia, which had been an area of tension in 1958. The participants now were Greek Cypriot irregulars and Turkish Cypriot civilians and former TMT members, known as the "fighters" during the Cyprus problem, the Turkish fighters were less powerful, outnumbered and were held down in "ghettos" from the superior Greek Cypriot side who were supplied with stored EOKA guns and eventually guns from foreign powers. Many Greek and Turkish Cypriot civilians who were caught in the crossfire and chaos that ensued over the Christmas week were killed, others were massacred by Greek or Turkish irregulars and had their homes looted and burnt down in small villages as the problem developed. The government of Turkey used these events as an excuse to cancel the residence permits of 12,000 Greek citizens living in Istanbul leading to the confiscation of their property.[citation needed] Both President Makarios and Dr. Küçük |
Tangerineman
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 13:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 22 in Discussion |
| It doesn't all fit on but this was from wikipedia and confirms it was in the 1000s |
Jovial_John
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Message Posted: 09/02/2012 14:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 22 in Discussion |
| To know the number of fatalities would not mean anything without knowing who did the killing. I watched a Greek (not Greek Cypriot) documentary (on the Greek Parliament channel) about the Greek Cypriots killed by EOKA and EOKA B. It stated that those deaths are now blamed on Turkish Cypriots or the Turkish army. I don't know the exact quote or who said it:- "...no Turkish Cypriot will ever forget what happened between 1963 and 1974 - and no Greek Cypriot will ever remember it". There will always be 2 separate sets of figures for everything in Cyprus just as there are 2 separate realities. |
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